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Message posted by DaveMiller on 21/11/2018 at 1:48pm
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You cannot hire new Calor lites but you can swop and empty one for a full one at a caller dealer. Calor are phasing them out as the returned bottles become too damaged to refill.


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my local dealer had a few lights in but wouldn't swop empty for full.. They had a printed sheet from calor instructing them to issue standard bottles ...So that why I went down the flogas lite route..

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Quote: Originally posted by moorlander999 on 21/11/2018
my local dealer had a few lights in but wouldn't swop empty for full.. They had a printed sheet from calor instructing them to issue standard bottles ...So that why I went down the flogas lite route..



Interesting! What, I wonder, is the point in stocking cylinders that the dealer cannot sell; I think the dealer is confused.

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Possibly, maybe waiting to go back to Calor.

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apparently they were to be returned back to caller...full or not....and wouldn't budge on a refill even though they were right in front of me....They had a calor headed email which clearly said --- NO exchange for lites ....issue with standard as a refill...

The Flo gas lites are much better...I spoke to a friend who worked for calor until lasrt year until retirement and apparently , although not officially recognised, calor really went to town on BP over the plastic bottles...All to do with the fact that BP didn't obtain a safety approval when they were introduced for the drop test ...They had a euro approval but nothing approved by the BSI....and CALOR made such a song and dance over them not lasting / unsafe / would crack if dropped. He claimed that this is why calor didnt introduce / design / buy a lightweight fibreglass bottle as BP would then give them so much hell they would have lost face....


My chum says that that the reason they have been withdrawn totally is that if the bottle has a dent / deep scratch on it -- then its scrap - it cannot be repaired due to the thickness of the bottle...!!!!

well surprisingly they have with the lightweight bottle....It must have cost a pretty penny .. The first recall when they discovered the bottles were rotting around the valve and now the total recall...

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I changed my Calorlite for a Calorlite 2 weeks ago from a local gas supplier no problem.
BSI approval isn't required for anything for sale or use in the whole of the EU including the UK,the CE mark is all that is required.
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1) calor refils - you were lucky then....

2) BSI - The mate of mine was an area manager for calor distribution....I am only relaying what he told me.....The company that manufacturers safe fill and the Flo gas system didn't obtain a drop test approval until very recently.


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I would think a great advantage of Safe fill is that I'd never drop it. I should think it is a fit and leave in place in the gas locker until I change the caravan.
I won't let the lack of a drop test worry me.

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If you are a SafeFill cylinder owner and travel to France it is a bit of a problem as you legally can't refill a stand alone (like these) cylinder at a filling station!

If you are travelling to France or indeed numerous other continental locations, then it might be worthwhile consider buying an Alugas aluminium cylinder as they come fitted as standard with a multi valve at the top. The advantage of this is valve arrangement is that you can refill the cylinder whilst the outlet pigtail is still connected.
https://www.autogasshop.co.uk/alugas-ce-11kg-single-cylinder-kit-1279-p.asp

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Good call B B, but for me that wouldn't be a problem. We don't spend that much of our time (unfortunately) abroad and when we do it's summer so one fill would last us, plus we have a Campingaz 907 as a back-up.

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Quote: Originally posted by Buzzy-Beans on 26/11/2018
If you are a SafeFill cylinder owner and travel to France it is a bit of a problem as you legally can't refill a stand alone (like these) cylinder at a filling station!





Are you sure about this BB?
Safefil sold me an adaptor to use for refilling in France. I have not used this yet so cannot say for sure, but I would be annoyed if what you say is correct.


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Quote: Originally posted by woodman2 on 27/11/2018
Quote: Originally posted by Buzzy-Beans on 26/11/2018
If you are a SafeFill cylinder owner and travel to France it is a bit of a problem as you legally can't refill a stand alone (like these) cylinder at a filling station!


Are you sure about this BB?
Safefil sold me an adaptor to use for refilling in France. I have not used this yet so cannot say for sure, but I would be annoyed if what you say is correct.




An advantage of the safefill seems to be that you can top them up when they are part used so you can start a holiday with it full. I have never used more than half a bottle of gas while on holiday in the summer, maybe more in the winter when gas is needed for heating.
I see that for every size the safefill website is showning "awaiting new stock" so I can't buy one yet.

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Safefill Every time. 66 nights away mostly off grid, just filled up today 13.90p
As said before you can always start off with a full tank. And you can see how much is in it. Beats weighing the Calor bottle when you work out the rare in lb & oz's.
Filling in France is a problem, Holland & Germany are OK

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Quote: Originally posted by woodman2 on 27/11/2018
Quote: Originally posted by Buzzy-Beans on 26/11/2018
If you are a SafeFill cylinder owner and travel to France it is a bit of a problem as you legally can't refill a stand alone (like these) cylinder at a filling station!





Are you sure about this BB?
Safefil sold me an adaptor to use for refilling in France. I have not used this yet so cannot say for sure, but I would be annoyed if what you say is correct.





I lived in France for 10 years and built and owned 2 ultra exclusive small caravan sites.

I know that refilling loose gas cylinders is illegal, however if you are lucky and the attendant isn't watching you might get away with it!!!!!

I built my own motorhome on my return to the UK and part of the build was a SafeFill cylinder which is enclosed in a sealed cupboard.
I fitted a gas filling point in the side wall of the van along with a hose, an on-off valve and a pig tail on the inside.
When I need to refill with gas wherever I am, I simply disconnect the normal pig-tail/regulator from the top of the bottle and screw on the filling pipe. It only takes me a minute or two to swap them over and I can then go to any refilling point wherever I am in Europe.

It would be very easy to make such a simple modification to your caravans.


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From what has happened around me in the last two years the biggest issue now is finding anywhere to refill any LPG car let alone a camping cylinder. The BP garages have removed their pumps, as has the farming equipment place and the truck stop. One of the local Shell forecourts, the one 6 miles away still does it for the car, but will not allow the Safefill and its like.
This trend I can't see but getting worse as no cars to my knowledge are sold now with an LPG option in the UK market. So its aftermarket vehicle conversions only that will support their real volume sales market and I doubt that is adequate to cover the costs involved. I can't see us campers needing say 2 or 3 refills a year keeping the business buoyant.


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