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He he, don't reckon they'd be very portable though Rumple do you?

Ali

Quote: Originally posted by Vic Wildish on 07/6/2006

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Quote: Originally posted by Rizzo on 06/6/2006

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Quote: Originally posted by Vic Wildish on 06/6/2006

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My rickety old arthritic knees prevent me from lugging a full chemical loo waste tank so I sometimes have to use the car to take it for emptying. Otherwise I use my collapsible trolley or Wastemaster as a means of getting there with it.

Personally, I don't have a problem with people using their cars for this task able bodied or not. You pay enough money to have a car and run it so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use it exactly as you see fit.

Vic

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Sorry Vic, I disagree with this part of your post, I believe that campsite traffis should be kept to a minimum. If you have difficulties, fine, if not you'd be better off in a hotel.

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With the greatest of respect Rizzo, staying in a hotel costs a great deal more then caravanning - one night in a reasonable "gaff" for two can cost as much as a weeks' site fees and strange as it may seem to the able bodied, people with disabilities can feel very self-conscious about their condition and would rather go about their lives in a discreet manner which is what campsites and caravan sites allow them to do.

I gather from your observation that you are not disabled...............?

Vic

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I think if you read it carefully Vic what chris is disagreeing with you on is that anyone should use their car at anytime because of what youv'e paid for it and not people who like myself sometimes have to use the car due to fitness problems. Not sure about the hotel bit but i'd be buggered can't climb very far upstairs can't use a lift as normally they go up to fast leaving me flat on the floor because of how low my blood pressures kept 

mmmm...just find it sad that so many so-called intelligent people want to poke their noses into other folk's business. Providing me and mine are not interfered with in any way then I really couldn't give a to55 what folk have, where they've been or going, wearing, driving.  etc, etc.

Chalkie I can't say I'm really interested but I would perhaps question your comment that "I was fortunately within eye distance of the toilets"........I'd be a touch careful if I were you...it could be a slippery slope....there's a word for people who hang around public toilets!!

Been reading this post with interest.

I always imagined camp sites to be peaceful, where the kids can play outside at low risk. If people start driving to the toilets, shop, bar then it increases traffic moving around the site and adds the danger to the kids. If people need to drive somewhere for health reasons or if it’s raining - then fair enough, if someone decides to drive 100 yards because they simply can’t be bothered to walk I personally think it is a problem. People complain that neighbours engaging in antisocial activity often reply ‘I’ve paid my fees I can do what I want !’ – I would consider starting the car, manouvering around, dodging pedestrians and kids when there is no need, to also be anti social.  It would be particularly unpleasant for people who are pitched close to the toilets.

Rant over, ducking my head from the shots people are likely to fire back at me.

well said julian!

julian

I think that what some of us are objecting to are the snap judgements made by a couple of the posters.  If I saw someone driving to the toilets, I would assume that he/she might have a hidden disability.  There are others who seem to jump immediately to the conclusion that these people are nothing but lazy so and sos.

What I object to most strongly is the thought that some people on campsites sit inside or outside their caravans "twitching", as one poster called it.  Even worse, some of these "twitchers" are ukcampsite members. 

As far as children/pedestrians are concerned.  Don't all sites have a speed limit of 5mph nowadays?  All sites I have visited recently have that speed limit?  If anyone is driving around breaking the site speed limit - well, that's a different thread.

Quote: Originally posted by julianp on 07/6/2006

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Been reading this post with interest.

I always imagined camp sites to be peaceful, where the kids can play outside at low risk. If people start driving to the toilets, shop, bar then it increases traffic moving around the site and adds the danger to the kids. If people need to drive somewhere for health reasons or if it’s raining - then fair enough, if someone decides to drive 100 yards because they simply can’t be bothered to walk I personally think it is a problem. People complain that neighbours engaging in antisocial activity often reply ‘I’ve paid my fees I can do what I want !’ – I would consider starting the car, manouvering around, dodging pedestrians and kids when there is no need, to also be anti social.  It would be particularly unpleasant for people who are pitched close to the toilets.

Rant over, ducking my head from the shots people are likely to fire back at me.

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Here here.

Quote: Originally posted by romany on 07/6/2006

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Quote: Originally posted by Vic Wildish on 07/6/2006

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Quote: Originally posted by Rizzo on 06/6/2006

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Quote: Originally posted by Vic Wildish on 06/6/2006

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My rickety old arthritic knees prevent me from lugging a full chemical loo waste tank so I sometimes have to use the car to take it for emptying. Otherwise I use my collapsible trolley or Wastemaster as a means of getting there with it.

Personally, I don't have a problem with people using their cars for this task able bodied or not. You pay enough money to have a car and run it so I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use it exactly as you see fit.

Vic

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Sorry Vic, I disagree with this part of your post, I believe that campsite traffis should be kept to a minimum. If you have difficulties, fine, if not you'd be better off in a hotel.

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With the greatest of respect Rizzo, staying in a hotel costs a great deal more then caravanning - one night in a reasonable "gaff" for two can cost as much as a weeks' site fees and strange as it may seem to the able bodied, people with disabilities can feel very self-conscious about their condition and would rather go about their lives in a discreet manner which is what campsites and caravan sites allow them to do.

I gather from your observation that you are not disabled...............?

Vic

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I think if you read it carefully Vic what chris is disagreeing with you on is that anyone should use their car at anytime because of what youv'e paid for it and not people who like myself sometimes have to use the car due to fitness problems. Not sure about the hotel bit but i'd be buggered can't climb very far upstairs can't use a lift as normally they go up to fast leaving me flat on the floor because of how low my blood pressures kept 

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Thanks for clarifying that for me Chas, thats exactly what I meant, couldn't answer earlier, been stuck in council chambers (long story, got a banging head!) and can't reply to messages at work

The point I made about hotels, is that if able bodied people don't want a bit of excercise, maybe thats what they should consider!

PS, won't edit, but traffis???

PPS, Well said Julian!

Quote: Originally posted by Rizzo on 07/6/2006

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The point I made about hotels, is that if able bodied people don't want a bit of excercise, maybe thats what they should consider!

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That's how I read it Rizzo.

Quite understand people with medical problems, or more advanced in years using the car.  However cars running over a campsite is annoying, exhaust fumes, noise... danger to pedestrians etc....   There is a dilemma because clearly there is a need for some people....  ........  Perhaps if the able bodied refrained then those that needed too would form the minumum. 

Can I just say if ANYBODY Needs a hand to pull push/ whatever do remember to ask because I would only be too happy to help.. and you know what ... am sure that I am part of the majority.  I know it is difficult to ask but you know there is joy in being able to give as well as receive and one day I may have a problem......

if you were very cynical you could off course wonder about the person who sits in his/her caravan watching the people who visit the toilet block........:-}}

mind you i think the 'people watching' generally is one of the fun aspects of caravanning

claire:-}

Quote: Originally posted by Chalkie56 on 12/6/2006

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Not replied for a while, I am not having a go at disabled people. The fact that this particular person i have seen running around playing football with the kids - great - fine but the same person then decides to drive to the loos, park whereever he likes at no respect for other people churning up the grass as he wheel spins off. I feel I have touched a nerve in some people and I dont mean those who are ill. Rumple, you have rumbled me I am going to get some therapy for watching the toilets  

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Not all disabled people are actually....ill though chalkie. Although in my case, with an auto-immune and arthritis I s'pose I could be classed as ill nowadays but wasn't when I first became disabled over 30 years ago. At 21 suffered a back injury at work and by 23 was bunged on the 'scrap heap' and pensioned off from my nursing, (but without the pension).

Anyhoo, on days when I'm not using my walking stick, (trendy flower power jobbie natch!), or on days when I have no need of my surgical collar, (with fetching dream catcher dangling from it), you really wouldn't know that every step is agony unless you can read the pain in my face, which I've been told is possible.

So......as many peeps have already said on here, none of us should be too quick to assume anything, coz me personally, I always try to look not disabled, but somehow that bl**dy limps a dead give away!

And believe it or not.....taking a long painful stroll to the loo/shower block is part of the holiday for me Masochist or what

And don't get me started on the filthy looks I get parking in a disabled bay when the collar's not on! Been getting those filthy looks for 30 years and it's getting boring. Most people seem to assume that to be 'disabled', (or as I like to call it, certified decrepit), you must be 1)Old and 2) miserable.....and I am NEITHER!

Tesco indeed! As if I would purloin one of their trolleys! (Not saying that the thought hasn't crossed my mind occasionally - reckon they'd make a good stand for a barbie.)

Still haven't used my 50p trolley 'cos I'm so lazy it was easier just to carry the loo to the disposal point than get the darn thing out of the locker and use it.